Honestly so disgusted by this Alabama abortion ban 😑

Logan's M 5 likes

Seriously. I have no words.

Second Time M 6 likes

Disgusting to say the least. I can't believe stuff like this still goes on in 2019. Unbelievable.

RC 5 likes

Im so mad 😡 fkd up world we live in

Lucky M 6 likes

It's sick.

V R 7 likes

Just wow!

Nicole H 2 likes

I am believe it's a good thing, except for the fact that it's also banned for rape victims

JVP 4 likes

😳 just read about it. Wow.

Ashley B 6 likes

I'm shocked by it

Diana F 2 likes

I am pro life and against abortion honestly if there's new life within you, it's a life and it should be respected as such. I understand there are circumstances in which it is very easy to opt for an abortion like a rape situation...or health concerning issues. I agree we all have rights and we should have our freedom of choice, yes... but taking another life... I am a mom and a mom to be... and their lives are so precious to me. I don't know much about the law or ban it's just my heart speaking

Kailey M 3 likes

Along with Ohio.... I wanna move out of the country y’all 😞

Logan's M 3 likes

Diana F Awesome! Don't get an abortion then! That's your CHOICE. Forced pregnancy has nothing to do with “saving lives” and everything to do with controlling women. What if the mother dies during a pregnancy she was forced to carry out? What about HER life? Dead people have more bodily autonomy than women right now. Are you prepared to support the impoverished women who will need substantial state and federal aid to raise a child they can't afford?

Logan's M 0 likes

Diana F You want us to respect an embryo, but what about a fully grown human woman with a life, a family...? Our respect was destroyed when we lost the right to govern OUR OWN BODIES.

Logan's M 3 likes

Everyone is pro-life until the baby is born. It is not ethical to force someone to raise a child they can't support. It is not ethical to dictate when someone becomes a parent. Where are the repercussions for men? Women will be forced to have and raise babies, while men get off with minuscule child support payments, if that. Regardless of the reason, it isn't anyone's business what a woman does with her body.

RC 3 likes

Logan's Momma 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

RC 5 likes

Diana F an 11 year old in Ohio was raped and is pregnant and because of this law she HAS to have the baby of her rapist. She's 11! Just a child 😡 do you think this is fair to her?? I sure wouldn't my 11 year old to have a baby especially if she was raped. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Diana F 3 likes

I totally agree that is not fair and the law should be against that and set better laws and have stronger punishments for these types of crime RC ❤️

Diana F 2 likes

Logan's Momma yes I understand , this is just my stand point ... I definetly respect everyone's thought and opinions. There are also choices like adoption. Woman don’t have to raise children they don't want their are other options.

Kits M 1 like

Diana F that’s fine if you are prolife. I don't think anyone is in favor of abortions but the reality of the world we live in is that women and young girls find themselves pregnant and due to a plethora of situations it is not healthy for them to have the child. Whether they are a victim of rape, the pregnancy is detrimental to their health, they have 4 children already and a 5th would seriously effect the well being of the other children, perhaps she's simply not ready to be a mother etc...

Kits M 4 likes

The entire point is that abortion should be a safe + legal option for a women. Banning them and making performing one a federal offense doesn't stop abortions from happening - it stops safe and medical ones from happening. Plus this law was written and voted on by men only. As a women you should be disgusted by that alone. How can someone who will never know how it feels to carry life inside of them possibly be qualified to make this sort of decision for the entire female population of a state.

Kits M 4 likes

Adoption is great when it works but there are so many children currently homeless in the system. They grow up unloved without family and often lead horrible lives. An unloved child is more likely to grow up and become a criminal or a young mother (and the cycle continues)

Kits M 4 likes

Plus Alabama does not require sex education in its public schools and if the school does provide it then they are only allowed to teach that absence is the only way to avoid pregnancy. Not providing vital information to kids about their sexual health and how to avoid pregnancy and then banning abortions is a recipe for disaster 😩

Logan's M 2 likes

Kits Momma Couldn’t have said it better myself. They are setting women for a perpetual cycle of misinformation and subjugation. Women are a lot easier to control/less of a threat when we're all at home with our 8 children. So the women of Alabama have two options: abstain from sex or sacrifice their body to multiple unwanted pregnancies. Because if women aren't having babies we just don't deserve to have sex at all. 😂

Logan's M 2 likes

But men can keep on wanking into a toilet bowl until their hand falls off. What about all that wasted potential for life?

Kits M 2 likes

Logan's Momma I propose an anti mastibation law. Ejaculating into anything other than a vagina is now punishable by castration.

Kailey M 2 likes

“He should just keep it in his pants if he isn’t responsible enough to not get a woman pregnsnt” Takes two to freaking tango and I am damn tired of women being BLAMED for getting pregnant. WE PHYSICALLY CANNOT DO IT ALONE!!!!

I'm a Mommy! 3 likes

Does the circumstances of a child’s conception change the fact that he or she is a human living being? In other words: If YOUR mother was raped, would YOU be considered any less human than the person sitting next to you? Should you be denied of all rights, including the right to live, because your conception was not “planned” or “wanted”? Abortion laws violate women's rights, but abortion also violates the human rights of humans. It's such a difficult topic, just my opinion.

Kits M 3 likes

I'm a Mommy! We are not talking about a child we are talking about a fetus which is non viable outside the uterus. And while no a child's circumstances should not effect their rights and quality of life but the reality is that they do. Does a women lose all her rights due to the nature of her pregnancy?

I'm a Mommy! 2 likes

Kits Momma a fetus is a living human organism, despite its viability. By law you don’t have the right to remove things from your body at will. (If you try to rip your lungs out, that is self-harm and you would put in mental institution. If you try to donate both of your kidneys, you would be denied.) There’s a legal limit of what you can do with your own body. This law recognizes that bodily autonomy is less and limited than the right to life, regardless of how viable the life is.

Logan's M 2 likes

I'm a Mommy! But what about the mother’s life? What if she dies from a pregnancy she was forced to keep? I would argue that the mother's right to life is much greater than the fetus’, since she has memories, feelings, a family that would miss her, possibly other children that depend on her... Also, if viability is irrelevant, then why are we not penalizing men for ejaculating outside of sexual intercourse?

Kits M 2 likes

I'm a Mommy! Using this logic a women with the BRCA gene would not be allowed to have a hysterectomy. Or some one could not have a boob reduction or liposuction. A pregnant 11 year old who has been raped is significantly more likely to commit suicide because of her circumstances - a 6w old fetus is more valuable than an 11 year old girl?

I'm a Mommy! 2 likes

Hi Kits Momma, Logan's Momma. I’ll try to address your comments/questions to me together. I hope they post. 1) “What about pregnant women who are at risk of death” I would most definetly support an abortion where the mother’s life is directly in danger. And I would confidently say that all developed, prolife nations with serious proposed legislation carry this exemption as well. (Alabama most certainly does). It’s non debatable IMO. (Note: it also accounts for less than 1% of USA abortions)

I'm a Mommy! 2 likes

Kits Momma Logan's Momma 2) “it's a fetus, not a child” I can’t debate the contention of fetal personhood. Either you believe it’s a human life or it isn’t. Age does not determine the personhood of a human being; they are human from the moment they start living until the day they die. And medical science confirms that human life begins in the womb. The word “Fetus” is simply a term to date a stage of human development.

I'm a Mommy! 2 likes

Kailey Marlow Logan's Momma Kits Momma 3) “anti masturbation law” -ejaculate may or may not contain sperm -ejaculate (Or sperm) is not human life -jacking off is not the same as, or even remotely comparible to, having an abortion. At all.

I'm a Mommy! 2 likes

Logan's Momma 4) “Bodily autonomy” There are many situations where the law prioritizes life or health over bodily autonomy: suicide watch, phyciatric holds, draft, mandatory vaccinations, drug laws, prescription laws, surgical procedures,... abortion laws... All with the intent to preserve health and life.

I'm a Mommy! 2 likes

5) RC ❤️ “rape and trauma” I want to preface: please believe me when I say that I most definetly do not want to minimize rape. Rape is horrendous. A pregnancy from rape is horrendous. With that said, it’s important to note that a 2004 USA study showed that less than 1% of abortions are performed due to rape. The proper course of action is to protect the life of the fetus AND to help treat the victim. Not either/or. Sanity and trauma, with treatment, is a temporary state. Abortion is final.

I'm a Mommy! 2 likes

Logan's Momma 6) “Poverty” Again, abortion should not be seen as an either/or argument. The focus should be *increase funding to adoption agencies and create more systematic care for young children where parents are poor *Provide free health care, information about family planning, 100% effective contraception, etc. Being poor is not a qualitative measure to the value of one’s life.

I'm a Mommy! 2 likes

I don't identify myself as prolife, and my stand on abortion isn't based on religion. I believe in the fundamental rights of women and men, and for me that also includes the unborn. The mother is one
distinctive and self contained person and the fetus/child is another; each with their own distinct genetic code. We mourn babies that are lost through miscarriage, we fight for justice and have laws for the unborn when they are killed in violence, we know the wonders of IVF... Thanks for reading

Kits M 1 like

I'm a Mommy! I 100% agree that we need significantly more focus and funding on improving sex education in this country and a larger investment in adoption and foster programs. We need easy access to counselling and resources to help women who find themselves pregnant in unfavorable circumstances. I don't think me or Logan's Momma or anyone for that matter is proabortion. I definately think it needs to be a regulated last option for women. However these absolute bans fail to recognize that when..

Kits M 1 like

...it comes to these matters that women's sexual wellbeing and health is not black and white. There are significant grey areas that we are avoiding. Another thing I feel strongly about is that men were responsible for this law - the constitution states we have the right to be represented by our peers. Im sorry but some one with a penis is not my peer when it comes to Matters that govern my uterus. Also address the ejaculation comment - of course we are being extreme and don't really fee this way

Kits M 1 like

...the point we are trying to make is that it takes two to tango and that men are responsible for 100% of unwanted pregnancies so treating women who are victims as the criminals is reficulous. In Alabama the law will soon be that a physician will receive 99 years in prison for performing an abortion. However if you remember just a few years ago and college boy raped an unconscious girl behind a dumpster and was only given 6m.

Kits M 1 like

I personally don't see myself ever choosing abortion as an option for myself. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be an option for women period. We should have basic rights over our body and those determining and governing those rights should be women

I'm a Mommy! 2 likes

Hi Kits Momma. My last post about me not identifying as pro life didn’t post, so I totally understand not putting labels on our opinions. In terms of how the law works, there has to be absolutes, and having exemption clauses to the law is difficult. Think about this: “it’s not ok to go on a random shooting spree EXCEPT in the case of _______”. Or, “It’s not ok to beat puppies EXCEPT in the case of ______”. ?! Right?! Laws have to be concrete...

I'm a Mommy! 2 likes

In regards to men creating these laws, that's the nature of our political system. More men are in politics; it's not a conspiracy. But I think about it this way: the men that are passing these laws are protecting the lives of our future women as well; those who are innocent and have no voice.

Kailey M 1 like

I'm a Mommy! No duh jacking off isnt the same as an abortion. However, telling a woman she should keep her legs closed because her getting pregnant is entirely and solely her fault and then banning her from doing anything about it is bullshit. Men need to be held to the same responsibilities women are when it comes to getting pregnant, having sex, and having abortions.

I'm a Mommy! 1 like

Kailey Marlow I responded to you because I was confused on why you used such an odd comparison to abortion. Glad you know the difference. 👍 I have never heard anyone say “keep your legs closed” or it's “100% women's fault”. The law most certainly does not say this. Since men don't have a uterus, the physical responsibilities of pregnancy and birth lay soley on women, but the law does recognize that fathers must also bare child responsibility, Hence child support.

Kailey M 1 like

I'm a Mommy! HA! You think it's easy for people to “just got get child support” that's a great joke. And also if you've NEVER heard people remaking “well she should just keep her legs closed then she won't have any of those problems” then you live under a rock. Which is probably why your opinion is so dated

I'm a Mommy! 1 like

Kailey Marlow My opinion isn’t “dated” just because it differs from yours. And the people I surround myself with don’t “blame” women for getting pregnant. Neither do I.

Kailey M 1 like

I'm a Mommy! I didn't say you did. Nor the people you associate yourself with. I've never had it said to me or anyone I know personally. HOWEVER it has been said by MANY male politicians in the past. The entire point of my comment originally is that men should be counted as equal in the act of pregnany And your opinion is dated. If someone gets an abortion it LITERALLY has zero effect on your life. And if you're so against it i can’t wait to see all of the children you start adopting!!

Logan's M 1 like

I'm a Mommy! I appreciate your opinion as it helps me understand where “the other side” is coming from, however, I don’t think we're going to come to an agreement. The idea of forcing a rape victim (rape is grossly underreported, so I wouldn't trust the stats you mentioned above) is barbaric and cruel. A small cluster of cells, even if they represent the beginning of a human life, do not outweigh the mother’s authority over her own reproductive and mental health.

I'm a Mommy! 1 like

Kailey Marlow I have a few responses to your comment: 1. My opinion isn't “dated”. In fact, it’s based on the multitude of modern medical and scientific advancements regarding fetal development. Experiences that I’ve witnessed first hand through my own journey with IVF. We know much more now than we ever have before regarding the development of human life. Likewise, I could say that your opinion is “barbaric”, but I won’t because - well, because that isn't fair or conducive to any discussion.

I'm a Mommy! 1 like

Kailey Marlow 2. The argument of “it has nothing to do with me” is nonsensical. Laws have something to do with everyone. We live in a collective society. We pay taxes, we share hospitals, etc etc. By the way, the “mind your own business" argument was the same thing slaveowners said pre-Civil War in America: “If you don't like slavery, don't own one”. Just saying.

I'm a Mommy! 1 like

Kailey Marlow 3. There are many ways to support a cause. I'm against animal cruelty, but I don't own any abandoned animals. I support refugee immigration, but I don't host a family. I support squatting laws, but I don’t physically open my home to the homeless. But, I do pay taxes that support these laws, I do vote for politaitians who support the causes I agree on, I do support charities that I'm passionate about, and I do try to educate myself on these issues and have proactive discussions.

I'm a Mommy! 1 like

Kailey Marlow Lastly, 4. Just because a child was unplanned and unwanted shouldn’t be a reason to abort them. This argument was proven facetious within a few years of Roe v. Wade's implementation. The vast majority of abused and “unwanted” children are PLANNED pregnancies.

I'm a Mommy! 1 like

Logan's Momma It's ok if we don't agree on this issue. I most certainly respect your opinion, as I have learned on here that your comments are always based on compassion, education and respect. 😀 My stand here is most especially based on my own experiences with IVF. I witnessed first hand how “just a few cells”, after 3 days of fertilization, have grown to be the children I love and adore today. You and I are “just a few cells” too. I'm curious if you support abortion until natural birth?

I'm a Mommy! 1 like

Logan's Momma An 11 year old should not have to birth a child. I wonder what the circumstances were to this case? I've tried to do some reading about it but I can't find much info. For rape cases, the morning after pill is available without prescription (at least here in Canada). Misoprostol and mifepristone also are legally available still in anti-abortion states such as Alabama to terminate an early pregancy before fetal heartbeat.

Kailey M 2 likes

I'm a Mommy! We're just going to have to agreee to disagree. In my eyes I don't see why people are against killing cells that could turn into a child that could and maybe will have a poor quaility of life. And i don’t understand why (not saying you specifically) people can be “pro life” yet not give a shit about all of the children who suffer in the system or are born and starve due to parents not wanting them. And if someone has an abortion it really does not effect your life. At all.

I'm a Mommy! 1 like

Kailey Marlow My response to Logan's Momma addresses part of what you ask. Still waiting for it to post... It's ok to have different opinions, my view on abortion has changed after experiencing my own little humans at 3 days fertilization (ivf) develop into the amazing humans they are now. They have the same single cells since their very beginning. I fought for their lives, and I cried for their siblings that didn't survive.

I'm a Mommy! 0 likes

Human life issues impact ALL of us, and will require all of us to engage if we want to create a society where we are free to pursue the life we envision for ourselves and our families. Laws have to be made. Whether they directly impact us at the moment or not, abortion is everyone's buisness. And just a side note since I see that this didn't post earlier: Alabama's ban was actually sponsored by state congresswoman Terri Collins (a woman) and signed into law by a female governor, Kay Ivey...

Logan's M 1 like

I'm a Mommy! I completely respect and understand your perspective. I agree that the morning after pill is the more favorable option, especially since an abortion would most likely result in added trauma to the rape victim. I support abortion up to natural birth if medically necessary. After the point of viability, doctors must do everything in their power to keep the baby alive, so I see it more as an early induction rather than a late abortion.

Kailey M 1 like

I'm a Mommy! And I totally respect and understand why you feel that way

I'm a Mommy! 0 likes

Logan's Momma I'm confused, sorry. Did you say that you support abortion (for whatever reason) up until fetal viability?

Logan's M 0 likes

I'm a Mommy! Let me clarify - I support abortion up to fetal viability, and medically necessary abortion up to 40+ weeks. Many women don't even know they're pregnant by 6 weeks. I didn't. Contraceptives fail. There are a thousand circumstances that can lead to an unwanted pregnancy. I’d suggest that we all just become abstinent (sarcasm) but that’s pointless since even rape victims aren't protected.

Logan's M 0 likes

I'm a Mommy! I understand why this is an important issue for you, and I appreciate where you're coming from. I think we all deserve a choice. To have children, to not have children. To change our minds.

Logan's M 0 likes

I'm a Mommy! When you mention bodily autonomy, the health/life we need to prioritize is the mother’s. My idea of fetal personhood differs from yours, and that’s ok. However, I don’t think your, or anyone else’s, perception of fetal personhood should strip a woman from her right to seek a safe and legal abortion.

Logan's M 0 likes

I'm a Mommy! What do you feel is a just punishment for convicted murderers? Do you feel women who have abortions deserve the same punishment?

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